...meanwhile US citizens have to foot their own tuition room and board to the tune of $40,000Is it true that due to US tax revenue going to Israel, their government pays their citizen's college tuition?
and to think a lib congress and a lib prez So sad aint itIs it true that due to US tax revenue going to Israel, their government pays their citizen's college tuition?
Not only college tuition, but also military training, and developing weapons including nuclear weapons. Zionists are controlling your banks therefore the American government are scared to stop funding Israel. Israel a country that have no resources, only few olives and fruits. No oil, no many trading and business. No cars and technology like the Japanese. All their money is from USA, they pay a lot to develop things like nuclear weapon.
USA, the government, gives charity to so MANY countries, we need to stop!
Let the kids in africa die of aids, let the people in the philipines fend for themselves, let people in israel pay for their own school, let people in sirlanka learn how to swim next huge wave that hits...
Its a mean thing to say, but we give out so much money from tax payer money, it should all be volenteer charity....
But to answer your question, i found no such thing of that...
I would ask my friend who lives there, but he is serving his country currently....
There's no way to pick a winner or a loser in the cash cycle between Israel and the US. The US indeed gives millions to Israel, but Israel also gives millions to the US. They are almost an integrated economy, similar to how Canada and the US operate.
I don't know about that, it's news to me but if it's true it is not fair, my daughter is in college now and I told her just last night that next year she may have to move home and commute because between the economy, our bills and her schooling we are sinking fast.
Only if you use the same logic to say our funding of family planning services in Africa is funding abortions.
What we're really doing is taking a huge financial burden off of Israel at a time we cannot afford it. I have never understood why.
Israeli students recently struck against tuition hikes in Israel.
So I think you got it wrong.
Hows that for fact?
The Jews there need to go to college to learn how to lead all industries in the eventual united nations headed world government.
I'd rather give it to an Israeli student in Israel than an undocumented Mexican student in the United States.
Of course its true but remember Israel is your proxy for fighting the muslims in Palestine. So if you want Israel to stay on the map you better keep on sending those cheques..
yes it is,we need to vote out everyone who is in government now to send a message of real freakin change.
and you know the rest of the story....
That's BS and you should know that.
Almsot all U.S. aid to Israel is in the form of weapons for Israel's self-defense.
No, it's not but we have a nice consolation prize for you
55 billion a year Chi....55 Billion.....
no, not at all
i dont know but if it is good for them - glad my taxes are helping pay for it
Friday, February 12, 2010
Is it true that some citizens believe?
Is it true that some citizens believe that ';Desert Storm'; was just a religious stunt to ';challenge god'; and therefore they believe that it is everyone's fault for allowing the travel from the middle east and/or egypt to be a proven ability by the united states in both geographic proof of existance in both origin and departure areas and also in commerce?
As in claim it was ';bad luck'; and/or ridiculous to prove and/or know that biblical places exist and/or physically locatable?Is it true that some citizens believe?
Usually yep if you can think of something someone probably already believes it, doesn't make it true though
As in claim it was ';bad luck'; and/or ridiculous to prove and/or know that biblical places exist and/or physically locatable?Is it true that some citizens believe?
Usually yep if you can think of something someone probably already believes it, doesn't make it true though
Is it true the KKK is planning a citizens' revolt against having a Black President on April 15th?
They're announcing it as the beginning of a war between the Aryan race and the New World Order in their web sites.Is it true the KKK is planning a citizens' revolt against having a Black President on April 15th?
No. But your messaiah is working hard to destroy relations in this nation. Not only race but also across affluence levels as well.Is it true the KKK is planning a citizens' revolt against having a Black President on April 15th?
KKK NEEDS LIVES.they have nothing better to do than complain,just like 脮fficial Census Fake褟鈩?they both dumb to me
Doubt it. But I guess if there aren't any other people in the world to keep racism alive and stoke the fire, the job is all yours. Doing an excellent job. By the way..didn't you WIN? Get over that. Time to gush about Obama and your wonderful choice of president. If he really is as wonderful as you and others say, why the constant attacks on the opposition?
You tell us.... you say they announced it?
Googled it and got nothing to do with the new world order.
Are you trying to pin this nwo thing on racists now?.... well it's been going on for years, it's against the government primarily.
Black president? We have a half-black president, abandoned by his father, and raised by his white grandparents. He's not black; he's half-black. A mestizo.
LOL...all 2000 members of them?
I can probably find an organization that violently hates people who wear orange colored hats with more members.
The KKK are psychotic - just like any terrorists or nutjob.
April 15, 2009- Tea parties google it
I'll be in Lansing w/ all the other Americans protesting against this high tax, socialist gov
Black White Rep Dem Ind, all are welcome and encouraged to join.
No that's not true, but it does sound like a good idea.
Revolt not for a ';black'; president, but for a ';crappy'; president!
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They must be stupid, it is their ';Aryan'; race that wants to conquer the world through the Anglo-American empire.
So what if they are? They are a non factor, and have been for years and rightfully so. What good have they ever accomplished?
April 15th is tax day. I would imagine this is not just a KKK thing.
Personally I don't pay attention to asshole losers.
If you ignore the KKK maybe they will go away. I don't even approve of ppl protesting them because it gives them power.
No. YAFM.
Hearsay? need quantitative info. please
rofl, throw a link out if it's true. Otherwise, they won't.
what web sites?
I hope so. That would be really funny.
Link??
LOL I'd sure love to see that.
I don't know are you scared?kawasaki
No. But your messaiah is working hard to destroy relations in this nation. Not only race but also across affluence levels as well.Is it true the KKK is planning a citizens' revolt against having a Black President on April 15th?
KKK NEEDS LIVES.they have nothing better to do than complain,just like 脮fficial Census Fake褟鈩?they both dumb to me
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Doubt it. But I guess if there aren't any other people in the world to keep racism alive and stoke the fire, the job is all yours. Doing an excellent job. By the way..didn't you WIN? Get over that. Time to gush about Obama and your wonderful choice of president. If he really is as wonderful as you and others say, why the constant attacks on the opposition?
You tell us.... you say they announced it?
Googled it and got nothing to do with the new world order.
Are you trying to pin this nwo thing on racists now?.... well it's been going on for years, it's against the government primarily.
Black president? We have a half-black president, abandoned by his father, and raised by his white grandparents. He's not black; he's half-black. A mestizo.
LOL...all 2000 members of them?
I can probably find an organization that violently hates people who wear orange colored hats with more members.
The KKK are psychotic - just like any terrorists or nutjob.
April 15, 2009- Tea parties google it
I'll be in Lansing w/ all the other Americans protesting against this high tax, socialist gov
Black White Rep Dem Ind, all are welcome and encouraged to join.
No that's not true, but it does sound like a good idea.
Revolt not for a ';black'; president, but for a ';crappy'; president!
'
They must be stupid, it is their ';Aryan'; race that wants to conquer the world through the Anglo-American empire.
So what if they are? They are a non factor, and have been for years and rightfully so. What good have they ever accomplished?
April 15th is tax day. I would imagine this is not just a KKK thing.
Personally I don't pay attention to asshole losers.
If you ignore the KKK maybe they will go away. I don't even approve of ppl protesting them because it gives them power.
No. YAFM.
Hearsay? need quantitative info. please
rofl, throw a link out if it's true. Otherwise, they won't.
what web sites?
I hope so. That would be really funny.
Link??
LOL I'd sure love to see that.
I don't know are you scared?
Is it true that some Germans soldiers/citizens tried to assassinate Hitler?
Is there any evidence of when it and how it happened?Is it true that some Germans soldiers/citizens tried to assassinate Hitler?
this was the 'July bomb plot' of 1944; Tom Cruise just did a movie named Valkyrie about it. Basically, plenty of Germans saw that Hitler was going to ruin Germany, so there was a plot to kill him with a bomb. Von Stauffenburg (spelling...?) was one of the key players and placed the bomb in the conference room under the table. The strong oak table is credited with saving hitler's life, and in a wave of paranoia, many top Germans, including those who were uninvolved, were executed, some with their families.
Rommel was implicated in this, but was given the option of suicide to save his good name, since he was such a hero in Germany.
There may have been other attempts, but this one was the most famous.
-EIs it true that some Germans soldiers/citizens tried to assassinate Hitler?
the first answer is true,i remember my dads war story's and he said most f them hated him but they had to to what he said or they would lose their life's,that's was when they put up the Berlin wall.the communists on one side and the good on the other,then president Kennedy got them to tear it down,,can you imagine having to listen an obey that maniac,,i have heard lots of different things and i be they were all true.. and none was good.
stands to reason
this was the 'July bomb plot' of 1944; Tom Cruise just did a movie named Valkyrie about it. Basically, plenty of Germans saw that Hitler was going to ruin Germany, so there was a plot to kill him with a bomb. Von Stauffenburg (spelling...?) was one of the key players and placed the bomb in the conference room under the table. The strong oak table is credited with saving hitler's life, and in a wave of paranoia, many top Germans, including those who were uninvolved, were executed, some with their families.
Rommel was implicated in this, but was given the option of suicide to save his good name, since he was such a hero in Germany.
There may have been other attempts, but this one was the most famous.
-EIs it true that some Germans soldiers/citizens tried to assassinate Hitler?
the first answer is true,i remember my dads war story's and he said most f them hated him but they had to to what he said or they would lose their life's,that's was when they put up the Berlin wall.the communists on one side and the good on the other,then president Kennedy got them to tear it down,,can you imagine having to listen an obey that maniac,,i have heard lots of different things and i be they were all true.. and none was good.
stands to reason
A Citizen by birth. True or false?
It is true that a child born in a given country automatically becomes a citizen of that country by birth. But why is Spain always asking immigrant parents to present a police report from their country for a baby born in Spain before they can issue the child passport?A Citizen by birth. True or false?
No, that's not correct.
If Joe and Melba from Dunkwater, Alabama are on a trip to Botswana for the Tripe Festival, and Melba gives birth to Lil' Bama Baby, that child will be a citizen of the United States, and will not be a citizen of Botswana.
For specific information on the requirements for a child born in the US to be a US citizen, visit http://www.state.gov and search on 'child citizenship'.
-StuartA Citizen by birth. True or false?
the majority of countries now, do not allow nor recognize jus soli,citizenship by birth of children who's parent do not hold the citizenship of that country.
the US is one of the rarest one still applying that law,
most European countries do not give citizenship by birth only,
you must have at least one parent who holds the citizenship on the birth of a child.
Spain=
The persons are considered to be the national of Spain by reason of birth or by origin if the person:
Born to a parent one of whom is a Spanish national at the time of his/her birth.
Born in Spain, whose parents are foreigners and the father or mother is born in Spain.
Born in Spain whose parents are stateless persons at the time of his/her birth
Born in Spain and the identity of the parents' are not known
http://www.helplinelaw.com/law/spain/nat鈥?/a>
Every country has its own laws regarding how citizenship is conferred. I don't know the laws in Spain. But in some countries, birth in that country does not automatically confer citizenship.
True and False. It depends on the immigration laws of the host country. Spain has different laws than the US does regarding immigration and citizenship.
No, the USA is unique in this reguard. All persons born or naturalized in the USA are citizens. Not so in 95% of the world.
He would have duel citizenship.
Depends on the country and their laws.
No. I think it depends on the nation, but basically, I think it's an option people do have.
It depends on the country.
Not always.
No, that's not correct.
If Joe and Melba from Dunkwater, Alabama are on a trip to Botswana for the Tripe Festival, and Melba gives birth to Lil' Bama Baby, that child will be a citizen of the United States, and will not be a citizen of Botswana.
For specific information on the requirements for a child born in the US to be a US citizen, visit http://www.state.gov and search on 'child citizenship'.
-StuartA Citizen by birth. True or false?
the majority of countries now, do not allow nor recognize jus soli,citizenship by birth of children who's parent do not hold the citizenship of that country.
the US is one of the rarest one still applying that law,
most European countries do not give citizenship by birth only,
you must have at least one parent who holds the citizenship on the birth of a child.
Spain=
The persons are considered to be the national of Spain by reason of birth or by origin if the person:
Born to a parent one of whom is a Spanish national at the time of his/her birth.
Born in Spain, whose parents are foreigners and the father or mother is born in Spain.
Born in Spain whose parents are stateless persons at the time of his/her birth
Born in Spain and the identity of the parents' are not known
http://www.helplinelaw.com/law/spain/nat鈥?/a>
Every country has its own laws regarding how citizenship is conferred. I don't know the laws in Spain. But in some countries, birth in that country does not automatically confer citizenship.
True and False. It depends on the immigration laws of the host country. Spain has different laws than the US does regarding immigration and citizenship.
No, the USA is unique in this reguard. All persons born or naturalized in the USA are citizens. Not so in 95% of the world.
He would have duel citizenship.
Depends on the country and their laws.
No. I think it depends on the nation, but basically, I think it's an option people do have.
It depends on the country.
Not always.
Can a religious person be a true patriot or citizen in a secular nation given that they may put religion first
I asked a question earlier about whether religous people would prioritize the interests of church or state more highly in a situation where a conflict of interests arose, and the response was that in such a situation religion would win. So can these people, who have an alternative agenda be trusted to act as true citizens or patriots?Can a religious person be a true patriot or citizen in a secular nation given that they may put religion first
Yes, a religious person can be a true patriot or citizen in a secular nation. Not all religions believe in forcing others to follow their beliefs. Some religions do not have tenets that would cause a conflict of interests.
Even religious people who follow a religion that promotes forcing others to follow their beliefs COULD be a good leader and not follow those tenets of their religion. That would need to be judged on an individual basis.Can a religious person be a true patriot or citizen in a secular nation given that they may put religion first
Who defines what acting like a patriot is? A religious person would probably tell you that their religion is a guide to what is right. Doing what is right sounds patriotic to me.
Can you provide an example of a ';conflict of interest';?
My guess is that any example you provide would have multiple interpretations regarding what is most patriotic or what is in the country's best interest. And this would happen just as much with a group of athiests as with a group of ministers or priests.
I can't speak for any religion but my own, but the religion that I know is not competing for power with states. It's interest is in salvation beyond this world, not gaining power and influence within it. I simply don't see the conflict you are refering to.
no.
Religious people follow their doctrines according to their religion. Every individual religion has their right to practice their doctrine in America whether agreeable or not to the population.
Example: KKK practice their religion to HATE everybody that is not white.
I can honestly tell you that those people that have an alternative agenda can not be trusted to act as true citizens or patriots.
Islamic radicals have proven that theory and so did the Oklahoma boomers.
Religion is not always represented by its true meaning because to many people use religion as their front to disguise their true agenda (HATE).
Religion has nothing to do with being a true citizen or a good patriot to your country or the world.
A true citizen or patriot comes from the heart and soul not from religion.
A true citizen or patriot no matter what country you live in works to better their country men towards peace and prosperity regardless of their differences.
PLEASE DON'T BLAME RELIGION FOR THE TROUBLES OF THE WORLD.
Blame the INDIVIDUALS that practice HATE and all the INIQUITIES in the world.
Remember that not all people are religious with a ';RELIGION';, but religious in the HOLY SPIRIT AND THE HOLY SCRIPTURES (The Holy Bible).
GOD BLESS! AMEN! SHALOM!
Given the corruption of church authority and the problems inherent in religious canonical law, I prefer a secular democracy without religious law or an official religion.
Well geez...Google Sergent York.
If I died in Iraq while serving my country as a medic, does that mean I was more secular than religous? I placed my country, the US before my God?
Bro no religion stops a person from being a patriot or a citizen .. well religion just gives the guidance to live the way of life. In this world thats it.. ASAP
We don't see anything Biblically that suggests
soldiers or Centurions, after their conversion, kept
to their older ways. In fact, if we look at history,
we see the opposite:
';A careful review of all the information
available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus
Aurelius [Roman emperor from 161 to 180 C.E.], no
Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after
becoming a Christian, remained in military service.';
-The Rise of Christianity(London, 1947), E. W. Barnes,
p. 333.
';We who were filled with war, and mutual
slaughter, and every wickedness, have each through the
whole earth changed our warlike weapons,-our swords
into ploughshares, and our spears into implements of
tillage,-and we cultivate piety, righteousness,
philanthropy, faith, and hope, which we have from the
Father Himself through Him who was crucified.';-Justin
Martyrin ';Dialogue With Trypho, a Jew'; (2nd century
C.E.), The Ante-NiceneFathers (Grand Rapids, Mich.;
reprint of 1885Edinburgh edition), edited by A.
Roberts and J. Donaldson, Vol. I, p. 254.
';They refused to take any active part in the civil
administration or the military defence of the
empire. . . . it was impossible that the Christians,
without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume
the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of
princes.';-History ofChristianity (New York, 1891),
Edward Gibbon, pp. 162, 163.
Why is this? ';They are not of the world even as I
[Jesus] am not of the world. ';John 17:16
';Jesus therefore perceiving that they were about to
come and take him by force, to make him king, withdrew
again into the mountain himself alone.'; John 6:15
Later, he told the Roman governor:
';Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if
my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants
fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but
now is my kingdom not from hence.'; John 18:36
But why? Matthew 4: 8 and 9 shows Satan trying to
tempt Jesus, ';Again, the Devil took him along to an
unusually high mountain, and showed him all the
kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to
him: ';All these things I will give you if you fall
down and do an act of worship to me.';
Think about it! How could the devil offer
Jesus the kingdoms of the world, if they were not in
his control already? That is why 1John5:19 says, ';the
whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.';
Satan is also called ';the ruler of this world'; and
';the god of this world'; (John 14:30; 2Cor 4:4).
Jas. 4:4: ';Adulteresses, do you not know that the
friendship with the world is enmity with God?
Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world
is constituting himself an enemy with God.';
And finally,
The Christian Century: ';The earliest Christians did
not serve in the armed forces. Roland Bainton notes
that 'from the end of the New Testament period to the
decade A.D. 170-180 there is no evidence whatever of
Christians in the army.' . . . Only gradually did
Christians abandon their opposition to military
service . . . Once Augustine endorsed 'just war' as
authorizing Christians' participation in military
activities, 'just war' soon became whatever war their
government engaged in.';
The article then exposes the real issue for
Christians: ';Can anyone seriously conceive of Jesus
hurling hand grenades at his enemies, using a machine
gun, manipulating a flamethrower, dropping nuclear
bombs or launching an ICBM which would kill or cripple
thousands of mothers and children? . . . If Jesus
could not do this and be true to his character, then
how can we do it and be true to him?';
';Augustine's 'just war' perversion of Christianity
on this critical issue was the greatest calamity that
ever befell the faith. It has cost Christians endless
opportunities to witness for their central ethical
principle: love your enemies and do good to them who
despitefully use you. It may have done as much to
hamper Christian evangelism as anything that has ever
occurred.';
Christians SHOULD be no part of worldly politics, having nothing to do with it's conflicts and hostility. A christians loyalty should be to God's kingdom with his son as reigning king.
I do not believe that any one who puts their interests first be they religious, political or financial can be a true patriot. That is why I do not consider Bush a patriot as he puts all three ahead of the interest of the USA.
Yes since I am both.
I think that when you get into politics and put religious label on yourself, you have many candidates that say they are part of a religion but then don't incorpate it into their political affairs. They seek after there own philosophy.
Simplifying this I will let you know that if, for example ALL CHTISTIANS, were to be TRUE CHRISTIANS and follow JESUS teachings to the dot, then no single one of them would be involved in politics in the first place!!!! This not only goes for all ';government'; officials, political candidates, etc., but the public itself. Why?
Because Christians are to believe that Jesus Christ's government, ruling, or whatever it is called, it is definetely not from, about, or of this WORLD. He himself explained this repeatedly.
Now, since Christians just like all religious groups, use RELIGION as they see fit, well then all of Jesus teaching have to go somewhere where they don't bother too much, and then his followers can do whatever they want!!!!
There are those that indeed wait for his return, go to Church, do good deeds, try not to sin too much, etc. But in the greater part most Christians just live it up in the world just like any other group. So you don't need to fear any ';UNPATRIOTIC'; anything from them. Same for other religions.
MUSLIMS? Well I tend to think most Muslims are not American born, so we can't expect them to be more patriotic than those that are. And of course, if they hear their ';calling';_such as was the case w/ many Bin Laden followers, they will FOLLOW their roots, tradition, instinct, or whatever you call it.
It is not RELIGION that comes first, it is whatever group of individuals see fit!!!!
Nah, religious wackos will always put the ultimate goal of their religion first and that is of course, world domination.
Jesus Christ himself said that his kingdom is ';No part of this world.'- John 18:36. Also, he said that his followers should also be no part of this world- John 17:16. Therefore, Christians should have nothing to do with politics,they should be politically neutral. They know that only God's kingdom, with Christ as king, will be the answer to mankinds problems. Jesus taught his followers to pray for this kingdom in Matthew 6:9 %26amp;10. The Bible say's that God's kingdom will 'crush' and put an end to all of mankinds kingdoms/governments - Daniel 2:44.
My deities require that we give honor to our families, our deities, our community. We have a responsibility to all of those and not in that order.
I am a United States Marine Corps veteran. I joined when I was a Christian. I wasn't sure if i could take a human life if war broke out but knew going in that it might come to that and accepted it.
Now, as a heathen, I wouldn't want to kill but not because I have a religious conflict against serving my country or killing in war or self defense.
I know a number of heathens, pagans and Wiccans that do what they feel is good service to the country, cities and mankind - some trying to stop the war, some working with veterans, some doing prison outreach, some working in soup kitchens.
I know some pagans and Wiccans would refuse to fight in the current war, some are already serving. I think it depends on the person and how they view their religion.
I'm not sure I'd know of a situation where a conflict between my religion and my nation would arise, I think they go hand-in-hand.
Secular nations do not exist, and any nation that claims to be a perfect secular nation is delusional.
Religion is so wound up into society and government already that it really doesn't matter anymore.
*** re chap. 28 pp. 191-192 par. 20 Contending With Two Ferocious Beasts ***
Putting love of country ahead of love of God is not what true Christian do.. Most people love the land of their birth. As good citizens, true Christians also respect the rulers and the emblems of the country where they reside, obey the laws, and make a positive contribution to the welfare of their community and their neighbors. (Romans 13:1-7; 1 Peter 2:13-17) They cannot, however, give blind devotion to one country as against all others. “Our country, right or wrong” is not a Christian teaching. So Christians who worship Jehovah God cannot share in giving prideful patriotic worship to any part of the wild beast, for this would amount to worshiping the dragon (Satan)—the source of authority of the beast(Earthly kingdoms in power-including United states and UK as the world power. They cannot ask admiringly: “Who is like the wild beast?” Rather, they follow the example of Michael—his name meaning “Who Is Like God?”—as they uphold Jehovah’s universal sovereignty. At God’s appointed time, this Michael, Christ Jesus, will do battle with the wild beast and conquer it, even as he triumphed in expelling Satan from heaven.—Revelation 12:7-9; 19:11, 19-21.
So this being said, true Christians give respect and pay what they are ask of them and follow the laws of the land except when it interferes with Gods Laws. True Christian are neutral to world politics. They will not take arms against anyone. You cannot love mankind and kill them.
depends on the reiligon...
its quite clear christians can do this and consider
it a christian duty to serve a gov't in whatever
form it exsists...
its quite clear that judaism can do the same thing...
its not clear however that islam can do the same thing
as islamic laws definitly overrule secular laws when
muslims are in he majority...
George Washington, our first president in America, the president of the convention that gave us the Constitution, and the president who oversaw the formation of the First Amendment, once declared, “It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens…”
I would not even trust such people as babysitters, never mind as patriots.
dont have to look very far to find that the greatest ';polititions'; were also great relgious leaders... look at your money and you will find their picture, read the back and you will find thier open faith.. I dont think they are opposites, I think they empower the other.
Patriot? NO. Citizen? Yes.
True Christians are to obey Jesus in everything. The world is fond of it's own. We are no part of the world just as he is no part of the world. (John 15:19; 17:16) Indeed, Jesus reasoned if his Kingdom were part of this world, his attendants would have fought for him when he was arrested. His Kingdom is no part of this world. (john 18:36)
So while we give Caesar's things to Caesar, but God's things to God, we obey world government's laws as long as they do not conflict with God's laws.
Yes, a religious person can be a true patriot or citizen in a secular nation. Not all religions believe in forcing others to follow their beliefs. Some religions do not have tenets that would cause a conflict of interests.
Even religious people who follow a religion that promotes forcing others to follow their beliefs COULD be a good leader and not follow those tenets of their religion. That would need to be judged on an individual basis.Can a religious person be a true patriot or citizen in a secular nation given that they may put religion first
Who defines what acting like a patriot is? A religious person would probably tell you that their religion is a guide to what is right. Doing what is right sounds patriotic to me.
Can you provide an example of a ';conflict of interest';?
My guess is that any example you provide would have multiple interpretations regarding what is most patriotic or what is in the country's best interest. And this would happen just as much with a group of athiests as with a group of ministers or priests.
I can't speak for any religion but my own, but the religion that I know is not competing for power with states. It's interest is in salvation beyond this world, not gaining power and influence within it. I simply don't see the conflict you are refering to.
no.
Religious people follow their doctrines according to their religion. Every individual religion has their right to practice their doctrine in America whether agreeable or not to the population.
Example: KKK practice their religion to HATE everybody that is not white.
I can honestly tell you that those people that have an alternative agenda can not be trusted to act as true citizens or patriots.
Islamic radicals have proven that theory and so did the Oklahoma boomers.
Religion is not always represented by its true meaning because to many people use religion as their front to disguise their true agenda (HATE).
Religion has nothing to do with being a true citizen or a good patriot to your country or the world.
A true citizen or patriot comes from the heart and soul not from religion.
A true citizen or patriot no matter what country you live in works to better their country men towards peace and prosperity regardless of their differences.
PLEASE DON'T BLAME RELIGION FOR THE TROUBLES OF THE WORLD.
Blame the INDIVIDUALS that practice HATE and all the INIQUITIES in the world.
Remember that not all people are religious with a ';RELIGION';, but religious in the HOLY SPIRIT AND THE HOLY SCRIPTURES (The Holy Bible).
GOD BLESS! AMEN! SHALOM!
Given the corruption of church authority and the problems inherent in religious canonical law, I prefer a secular democracy without religious law or an official religion.
Well geez...Google Sergent York.
If I died in Iraq while serving my country as a medic, does that mean I was more secular than religous? I placed my country, the US before my God?
Bro no religion stops a person from being a patriot or a citizen .. well religion just gives the guidance to live the way of life. In this world thats it.. ASAP
We don't see anything Biblically that suggests
soldiers or Centurions, after their conversion, kept
to their older ways. In fact, if we look at history,
we see the opposite:
';A careful review of all the information
available goes to show that, until the time of Marcus
Aurelius [Roman emperor from 161 to 180 C.E.], no
Christian became a soldier; and no soldier, after
becoming a Christian, remained in military service.';
-The Rise of Christianity(London, 1947), E. W. Barnes,
p. 333.
';We who were filled with war, and mutual
slaughter, and every wickedness, have each through the
whole earth changed our warlike weapons,-our swords
into ploughshares, and our spears into implements of
tillage,-and we cultivate piety, righteousness,
philanthropy, faith, and hope, which we have from the
Father Himself through Him who was crucified.';-Justin
Martyrin ';Dialogue With Trypho, a Jew'; (2nd century
C.E.), The Ante-NiceneFathers (Grand Rapids, Mich.;
reprint of 1885Edinburgh edition), edited by A.
Roberts and J. Donaldson, Vol. I, p. 254.
';They refused to take any active part in the civil
administration or the military defence of the
empire. . . . it was impossible that the Christians,
without renouncing a more sacred duty, could assume
the character of soldiers, of magistrates, or of
princes.';-History ofChristianity (New York, 1891),
Edward Gibbon, pp. 162, 163.
Why is this? ';They are not of the world even as I
[Jesus] am not of the world. ';John 17:16
';Jesus therefore perceiving that they were about to
come and take him by force, to make him king, withdrew
again into the mountain himself alone.'; John 6:15
Later, he told the Roman governor:
';Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if
my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants
fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but
now is my kingdom not from hence.'; John 18:36
But why? Matthew 4: 8 and 9 shows Satan trying to
tempt Jesus, ';Again, the Devil took him along to an
unusually high mountain, and showed him all the
kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to
him: ';All these things I will give you if you fall
down and do an act of worship to me.';
Think about it! How could the devil offer
Jesus the kingdoms of the world, if they were not in
his control already? That is why 1John5:19 says, ';the
whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.';
Satan is also called ';the ruler of this world'; and
';the god of this world'; (John 14:30; 2Cor 4:4).
Jas. 4:4: ';Adulteresses, do you not know that the
friendship with the world is enmity with God?
Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world
is constituting himself an enemy with God.';
And finally,
The Christian Century: ';The earliest Christians did
not serve in the armed forces. Roland Bainton notes
that 'from the end of the New Testament period to the
decade A.D. 170-180 there is no evidence whatever of
Christians in the army.' . . . Only gradually did
Christians abandon their opposition to military
service . . . Once Augustine endorsed 'just war' as
authorizing Christians' participation in military
activities, 'just war' soon became whatever war their
government engaged in.';
The article then exposes the real issue for
Christians: ';Can anyone seriously conceive of Jesus
hurling hand grenades at his enemies, using a machine
gun, manipulating a flamethrower, dropping nuclear
bombs or launching an ICBM which would kill or cripple
thousands of mothers and children? . . . If Jesus
could not do this and be true to his character, then
how can we do it and be true to him?';
';Augustine's 'just war' perversion of Christianity
on this critical issue was the greatest calamity that
ever befell the faith. It has cost Christians endless
opportunities to witness for their central ethical
principle: love your enemies and do good to them who
despitefully use you. It may have done as much to
hamper Christian evangelism as anything that has ever
occurred.';
Christians SHOULD be no part of worldly politics, having nothing to do with it's conflicts and hostility. A christians loyalty should be to God's kingdom with his son as reigning king.
I do not believe that any one who puts their interests first be they religious, political or financial can be a true patriot. That is why I do not consider Bush a patriot as he puts all three ahead of the interest of the USA.
Yes since I am both.
I think that when you get into politics and put religious label on yourself, you have many candidates that say they are part of a religion but then don't incorpate it into their political affairs. They seek after there own philosophy.
Simplifying this I will let you know that if, for example ALL CHTISTIANS, were to be TRUE CHRISTIANS and follow JESUS teachings to the dot, then no single one of them would be involved in politics in the first place!!!! This not only goes for all ';government'; officials, political candidates, etc., but the public itself. Why?
Because Christians are to believe that Jesus Christ's government, ruling, or whatever it is called, it is definetely not from, about, or of this WORLD. He himself explained this repeatedly.
Now, since Christians just like all religious groups, use RELIGION as they see fit, well then all of Jesus teaching have to go somewhere where they don't bother too much, and then his followers can do whatever they want!!!!
There are those that indeed wait for his return, go to Church, do good deeds, try not to sin too much, etc. But in the greater part most Christians just live it up in the world just like any other group. So you don't need to fear any ';UNPATRIOTIC'; anything from them. Same for other religions.
MUSLIMS? Well I tend to think most Muslims are not American born, so we can't expect them to be more patriotic than those that are. And of course, if they hear their ';calling';_such as was the case w/ many Bin Laden followers, they will FOLLOW their roots, tradition, instinct, or whatever you call it.
It is not RELIGION that comes first, it is whatever group of individuals see fit!!!!
Nah, religious wackos will always put the ultimate goal of their religion first and that is of course, world domination.
Jesus Christ himself said that his kingdom is ';No part of this world.'- John 18:36. Also, he said that his followers should also be no part of this world- John 17:16. Therefore, Christians should have nothing to do with politics,they should be politically neutral. They know that only God's kingdom, with Christ as king, will be the answer to mankinds problems. Jesus taught his followers to pray for this kingdom in Matthew 6:9 %26amp;10. The Bible say's that God's kingdom will 'crush' and put an end to all of mankinds kingdoms/governments - Daniel 2:44.
My deities require that we give honor to our families, our deities, our community. We have a responsibility to all of those and not in that order.
I am a United States Marine Corps veteran. I joined when I was a Christian. I wasn't sure if i could take a human life if war broke out but knew going in that it might come to that and accepted it.
Now, as a heathen, I wouldn't want to kill but not because I have a religious conflict against serving my country or killing in war or self defense.
I know a number of heathens, pagans and Wiccans that do what they feel is good service to the country, cities and mankind - some trying to stop the war, some working with veterans, some doing prison outreach, some working in soup kitchens.
I know some pagans and Wiccans would refuse to fight in the current war, some are already serving. I think it depends on the person and how they view their religion.
I'm not sure I'd know of a situation where a conflict between my religion and my nation would arise, I think they go hand-in-hand.
Secular nations do not exist, and any nation that claims to be a perfect secular nation is delusional.
Religion is so wound up into society and government already that it really doesn't matter anymore.
*** re chap. 28 pp. 191-192 par. 20 Contending With Two Ferocious Beasts ***
Putting love of country ahead of love of God is not what true Christian do.. Most people love the land of their birth. As good citizens, true Christians also respect the rulers and the emblems of the country where they reside, obey the laws, and make a positive contribution to the welfare of their community and their neighbors. (Romans 13:1-7; 1 Peter 2:13-17) They cannot, however, give blind devotion to one country as against all others. “Our country, right or wrong” is not a Christian teaching. So Christians who worship Jehovah God cannot share in giving prideful patriotic worship to any part of the wild beast, for this would amount to worshiping the dragon (Satan)—the source of authority of the beast(Earthly kingdoms in power-including United states and UK as the world power. They cannot ask admiringly: “Who is like the wild beast?” Rather, they follow the example of Michael—his name meaning “Who Is Like God?”—as they uphold Jehovah’s universal sovereignty. At God’s appointed time, this Michael, Christ Jesus, will do battle with the wild beast and conquer it, even as he triumphed in expelling Satan from heaven.—Revelation 12:7-9; 19:11, 19-21.
So this being said, true Christians give respect and pay what they are ask of them and follow the laws of the land except when it interferes with Gods Laws. True Christian are neutral to world politics. They will not take arms against anyone. You cannot love mankind and kill them.
depends on the reiligon...
its quite clear christians can do this and consider
it a christian duty to serve a gov't in whatever
form it exsists...
its quite clear that judaism can do the same thing...
its not clear however that islam can do the same thing
as islamic laws definitly overrule secular laws when
muslims are in he majority...
George Washington, our first president in America, the president of the convention that gave us the Constitution, and the president who oversaw the formation of the First Amendment, once declared, “It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens…”
I would not even trust such people as babysitters, never mind as patriots.
dont have to look very far to find that the greatest ';polititions'; were also great relgious leaders... look at your money and you will find their picture, read the back and you will find thier open faith.. I dont think they are opposites, I think they empower the other.
Patriot? NO. Citizen? Yes.
True Christians are to obey Jesus in everything. The world is fond of it's own. We are no part of the world just as he is no part of the world. (John 15:19; 17:16) Indeed, Jesus reasoned if his Kingdom were part of this world, his attendants would have fought for him when he was arrested. His Kingdom is no part of this world. (john 18:36)
So while we give Caesar's things to Caesar, but God's things to God, we obey world government's laws as long as they do not conflict with God's laws.
I'm a US citizen. My granddad came from the UK. Is it true I can apply for British citizenship? If so how?
Is there an online form, do I have to get to the Britsh Embassay?I'm a US citizen. My granddad came from the UK. Is it true I can apply for British citizenship? If so how?
Anyone can apply, but it won't be automatic if that is your only claim to it. I'm from the US myself, but the UK citizenship requirements can be found at the Home Office web page. Even if you are born there it isn't automatic anymore. The entire EU has banned automatic birthright citizenship, at this point.
http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/british鈥?/a>I'm a US citizen. My granddad came from the UK. Is it true I can apply for British citizenship? If so how?
Unfortunately not anymore. It used to be the case that one British grandparent was enough to get you citizenship but now the rules have changed and you need to have one parent who is British.
Anyone can apply, but it won't be automatic if that is your only claim to it. I'm from the US myself, but the UK citizenship requirements can be found at the Home Office web page. Even if you are born there it isn't automatic anymore. The entire EU has banned automatic birthright citizenship, at this point.
http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/british鈥?/a>I'm a US citizen. My granddad came from the UK. Is it true I can apply for British citizenship? If so how?
Unfortunately not anymore. It used to be the case that one British grandparent was enough to get you citizenship but now the rules have changed and you need to have one parent who is British.
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